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Talker and listener echo in four-wire circuit

Short answer

Four-wire loss L = S – B = 0 dB. Talker echo attenuation = 6 + L + B + L + 6 = 15 dB; delay = round-trip 20 ms + 2×1 ms = 22 ms. Listener echo attenuation relative to direct signal = 2S = 6 dB.

A four-wire circuit has a round-trip delay of 20 milliseconds. The propagation time for the two-wire circuit connected to each end is 1 millisecond, and its attenuation is 6 dB. The balance return loss is 3 dB and the stability margin is 3 dB. Calculate the attenuation of the talker echo, delay of talker echo, and attenuation of listener echo.

Assumptions (standard four-wire model): LL = overall loss of the four-wire circuit between its two-wire terminals (hybrid to hybrid), BB = balance return loss of each hybrid, stability margin S=L+BS = L + B (half the loss round the four-wire loop). Each subscriber is joined to a hybrid by a two-wire circuit of 6 dB loss and 1 ms delay.

Four-wire loss

L=S−B=3−3=0 dBL = S - B = 3 - 3 = 0\ \text{dB}
 Talker─[2W: 6dB,1ms]─H1══ 4-wire (L) ══H2─[2W]─Listener
           ^                               │ reflects (B)
           └──────── talker echo <─────────┘

Talker echo (talker's speech reflected at the far hybrid and heard by the talker):

ATE=6+L+B+L+6=6+0+3+0+6=15 dB\begin{aligned} A_{TE} &= 6 + L + B + L + 6 \\ &= 6 + 0 + 3 + 0 + 6 = 15\ \text{dB} \end{aligned} DelayTE=20 ms (4-wire round trip)+2×1 ms (own 2-wire both ways)=22 ms\begin{aligned} \text{Delay}_{TE} &= 20\ \text{ms (4-wire round trip)} + 2 \times 1\ \text{ms (own 2-wire both ways)} \\ &= 22\ \text{ms} \end{aligned}

Listener echo (signal reflected at the far hybrid, then again at the near hybrid, reaching the listener late). Compared with the direct signal it travels once more round the four-wire loop:

ALE=2L+2B=2S=2×3=6 dB below the direct signalA_{LE} = 2L + 2B = 2S = 2 \times 3 = 6\ \text{dB below the direct signal}

(absolute: 6+3L+2B+6=186 + 3L + 2B + 6 = 18 dB from talker to listener, against 12 dB for the direct signal), delayed by 20 ms relative to it.

Answer: talker echo attenuation = 15 dB, talker echo delay = 22 ms, listener echo attenuation = 6 dB (relative to the received speech, i.e. 18 dB overall).

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